Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe

Men's New Balance 890v4

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Men's NEW BALANCE® 890v4 :: Add more spring to your steps while enjoying improved comfort and support in the Men's New Balance® 890v4, the newest edition a highly popular running shoe. Run spring-loaded in the newly designed platform that provides more toe propulsion, and secure more shock absorbency and stability from the updated crashpad. Plus, your feet will feel more comfortable and snuggly supported in the FANTOMFIT® upper that, along with the other improvements, makes the New Balance® 890v4 an update you won't want to miss. 8.5 ounces

Category Type:

NEUTRAL [?]
If you have high arches and need minimal support, Neutral shoes are right for you. Your feet will guide themselves more naturally through each step for your perfect running gait. When choosing running shoes, find your perfect fit using this chart. Category types are based on factors like arch height, running habits and body frame.

Features & Benefits:

  • REVlite midsole foam: Innovative foam compound that provides the same responsiveness and durability of foams 30% heavier, offering a lightweight rise without minimizing construction or sacrificing underfoot cushioning or stability
  • FantomFit: A skeletally engineered upper that provides ultralight support and fit
  • No-sew material application
  • Blown rubber outsole
  • ABZORB crash pad
  • NBW2680
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Specifications:

  • Predecessor Product Type:  890v3

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Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe
 
4.9

(based on 24 reviews)

100%

of respondents would recommend this to a friend.

Pros

  • Comfortable (20)
  • Lightweight (19)
  • Cushions impact (15)
  • Breathable (14)
  • Fast (14)

Cons

    Best Uses

    • Road running (16)
      • Sizing:
      • Feels full size too small

         

        Feels half size too small

         

        Feels true to size

         

        68% 

        (15 reviews)

        Feels half size too big

         

        Feels full size too big

         
      • Width:
      • Feels too narrow

         

        Feels true to width

         

        95% 

        (21 reviews)

        Feels too wide

         
      • Arch Type:
      • Average arch (11), High arch (8)
      • Reviewer Profile:
      • Enthusiast (15), Casual/ recreational (3), Gym rat (3)
      • Was this a gift?:
      • No (21)

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    5.0

    Been buying the 890's since they started

    By Rabid Runner

    from Alexandria, VA

    About Me Professional Athlete

    Verified Buyer

    Pros

    • Breathable
    • Comfortable
    • Fast
    • Good Traction
    • Lightweight

    Cons

      Best Uses

      • Road Running

      Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

      This is a great shoe, much better than the 890v3 with the added toe room. I use the 890's for my daily training. They are comfy and I never get blisters, I use the thin road runner no show socks with them. Great on the treadmill for rainy days or the road/trails on non-rainy days. I highly recommend them. Get a 1/2 size bigger than normal shoes. ENJOY!!

      • Sizing:
      • Feels half size too small
      • Width:
      • Feels true to width
      • Arch Type:
      • Average Arch
      • Was this a gift?:
      • No
       
      5.0

      Great neutral marathon shoe

      By Nick

      from Grand Rapids, MI

      About Me Avid Athlete

      Verified Reviewer

      Pros

      • Comfortable
      • Lightweight

      Cons

        Best Uses

        • With Orthotics/Inserts

        Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

        This is a great everyday running shoe if you are training for a marathon. I've ran in just about everything over the past 7 years and these are best neutral shoe I've had. I have custom orthotics and these are the shoes my foot guy recommended. This version fits much better in the toe box than the previous. They are not the most cushioned shoes, but if your a bigger runner like I am, you probably don't want that for high mileage. You won't find a pair lighter and they are a reasonable price too.

        • Sizing:
        • Feels true to size
        • Width:
        • Feels true to width
        • Arch Type:
        • Average Arch
        • Was this a gift?:
        • No
         
        4.0

        Great light, cushioned shoes!!

        By Adrianatmi

        from Westminster, CO

        About Me Avid Athlete

        Verified Buyer

        Pros

        • Breathable
        • Cushions Impact
        • Good Arch Support
        • Good Traction
        • Lightweight

        Cons

          Best Uses

          • Trail Running

          Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

          I run mostly dirt roads, trails and treadmill and been wearing the 890v2,v3 and now v4 which they have slight more cushion on forefoot than the old styles. Great grip when raining or wet. If you are looking for stability I would say there is not much. Still a great product from NEW BALANCE!!

          • Sizing:
          • Feels true to size
          • Width:
          • Feels true to width
          • Arch Type:
          • Average Arch
          • Was this a gift?:
          • No
           
          4.0

          Lite and soft

          By Half M

          from Maryland

          About Me Avid Athlete

          Verified Buyer

          Pros

          • Comfortable
          • Cushions Impact
          • Lightweight

          Cons

          • Poor Stability

          Best Uses

          • Pavement

          Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

          When I first got the shoe I was skeptical since I was used to a bit more stability. After running in them for a week, I am very happy. The shoe is very comfortable and provides ample cushion. I plan to use this shoe to add mileage while avoiding pain and injury.

          • Sizing:
          • Feels true to size
          • Width:
          • Feels true to width
          • Arch Type:
          • High Arch
          • Was this a gift?:
          • No
           
          5.0

          GrooVy ShOeS Light as Feathers

          By Juice

          from MN

          About Me Avid Athlete

          Pros

            Cons

              Best Uses

              • Road Running

              Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

              I am training for a full marathon. I ran in these outside about 8 times, running 13.2 miles today. I beat my past half marathon by 5 minutes without much effort. They are so light and wonderful. Period.
              Get them a size bigger. I am 14, and semi wide. I ordered a 15 Wide. Perfecto. Best shoe my feet had...I am running the Full in these for sure.

              • Was this a gift?:
              • No
               
              5.0

              A Gem!

              By All Day Long

              from Orange County, CA

              About Me Gym Rat

              Verified Buyer

              Pros

              • Breathable
              • Comfortable
              • Cushions Impact
              • Fast
              • Lightweight

              Cons

              • Narrow / Tight

              Best Uses

              • Road Running

              Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

              I've been looking for a lightweight, cushioned shoe to take on long runs. Found it with the 890v4. Took them for a 10 mile run right out of the box and they felt great. Really great. I've tried the Mizuno Inspire 10 and the Saucony Cortana 3, but these, by far, feel the best. They have just the right about of arch support. I thought the amount of cushioning was also perfect. Soft enough to be comfortable but not to the extent where they take away from the feel of the road. The low heel drop helps to promote a morenatural mid-foot/fore-foot strike. I ran the LA Marathon in these yesterday and today, I have no back pain and no knee pain! I just had to write a review after that. NB nailed it with this updated version!

              • Sizing:
              • Feels true to size
              • Width:
              • Feels too narrow
              • Arch Type:
              • Average Arch
              • Was this a gift?:
              • No
               
              5.0

              Great Mix of Performance and Cushioning

              By runallday

              from Cerritos, CA

              About Me Avid Athlete

              Verified Reviewer

              Pros

              • Breathable
              • Comfortable
              • Cushions Impact
              • Durable
              • Fast
              • Good Traction
              • Lightweight

              Cons

                Best Uses

                • Endurance Training

                Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                I bought this shoe due to the good reviews, and this shoe has not disappointed. I wanted to hold off on reviewing this shoe until I got some serious mileage and a marathon in.

                Don't let the appearance of this shoe fool you. It looks more like a minimalist shoe at first sight (it's super light), but it is comparable to any other shoe in the "Neutral" category (as defined by RRS). This is evident in its performance. I have put about 275+ miles on this shoe (including the recent 2014 LA Marathon), and there are plenty more miles left in the shoe. I think these are a perfect blend of performance, flexibility, and durability.

                I will say that this shoe did take me a lot longer to break in compared to other shoes. I ran in the Nike Pegasus 28/29, and those were easier to break into. Your experience might vary, but it took me about 40 miles for me to confidently say that my feet and the shoes were good friends in terms of breaking them in.

                For the LA Marathon, these shoes were excellent. Never once did I have to think or worry about the shoes. I never felt like the shoes were heavy or overly responsive to the road. I always like to say that if you're not thinking about your shoes while you run, then the shoes are doing their job. Not that the shoes alone allowed me to reach my goal time, but they surely didn't hinder me from doing so!

                I really don't have anything bad to say about the shoes. I think another reviewer commented that more color combinations would be nice, but I'm just nitpicking at this point.

                All in all, a great shoe. I was hesitant about it at first, but those hesitations were based on visual impressions that were squashed rather immediately when I actually started runnin in them. For me, I had to order a 1/2 size up (I normally wear 8.5, but I ordered a 9). That worked out fine.

                • Sizing:
                • Feels half size too small
                • Width:
                • Feels true to width
                • Was this a gift?:
                • No
                 
                5.0

                AMAZED

                By pearl jam

                from san juan

                About Me Avid Athlete

                Verified Reviewer

                Pros

                • Breathable
                • Comfortable
                • Cushions Impact
                • Durable
                • Fast
                • Good Arch Support
                • Great with Jeans
                • Lightweight

                Cons

                • none

                Best Uses

                • Road Running

                Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                WOW! I always have a couple of shoes. One for speed workouts (pure flows) and another for long runs (1080) and a third pair for races (launch). With the new 890 I don't need so many pairs! they are just plain perfect. Just ordered another pair!

                • Sizing:
                • Feels half size too small
                • Width:
                • Feels true to width
                • Arch Type:
                • High Arch
                • Was this a gift?:
                • No
                 
                4.0

                Comfort and performance

                By wilj4040

                from Nacogdoches, TX

                About Me Avid Athlete

                Verified Buyer

                Pros

                • Breathable
                • Comfortable
                • Cushions Impact
                • Durable
                • Fast
                • Good Arch Support
                • Good Traction

                Cons

                  Best Uses

                  • Road Running

                  Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                  I wear them for speed and tempo workouts. The NB890v4 has a better cushion then my Brooks. I will not trade neither of them just glad NB made a running shoe I can now use with my Brooks.

                  • Sizing:
                  • Feels half size too big
                  • Width:
                  • Feels true to width
                  • Arch Type:
                  • High Arch
                  • Was this a gift?:
                  • No
                   
                  5.0

                  Just Right

                  By Jarhead

                  from Austin

                  About Me Gym Rat

                  Verified Buyer

                  Pros

                  • Good cushioning
                  • Light weight

                  Cons

                    Best Uses

                    • Road Running

                    Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                    Daily runs upto an hour

                    • Sizing:
                    • Feels true to size
                    • Width:
                    • Feels true to width
                    • Arch Type:
                    • Average Arch
                    • Was this a gift?:
                    • No
                     
                    5.0

                    Why did I go outside the NB hemisphere.

                    By Andrew the City Dweller

                    from Houston,TX

                    About Me Avid Athlete

                    Verified Buyer

                    Pros

                    • Comfortable
                    • Cushions Impact
                    • Fast
                    • Lightweight

                    Cons

                      Best Uses

                      • Endurance Training

                      Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                      Caution your heart rate, lungs, and knees will send you a warning..."slow down, we're not use to this speed". Great shoe to counter heavier shoes you use for greater mileage and to train with higher leg turnover.

                      • Sizing:
                      • Feels true to size
                      • Width:
                      • Feels true to width
                      • Was this a gift?:
                      • No
                       
                      5.0

                      Very comfortable trainer

                      By Running 50 year old

                      from Oakland, CA

                      About Me Casual/ Recreational

                      Verified Buyer

                      Pros

                      • Comfortable
                      • Cushions Impact

                      Cons

                        Best Uses

                        • Road Running

                        Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                        I run about 3-4 times a week anywhere from 3-6 miles. This shoe is a great trainer, with the right amount of cushioning for me. I did not want too minimal or too heavy of a shoe. This is a good in-between trainer. A little bit more cushion than the V3 but great on knees and back. I use on road and treadmill.

                        • Sizing:
                        • Feels true to size
                        • Width:
                        • Feels true to width
                        • Arch Type:
                        • Average Arch
                        • Was this a gift?:
                        • No
                         
                        5.0

                        New Balance Got It Right

                        By Rock

                        from Tampa, FL

                        About Me Avid Athlete

                        Verified Reviewer

                        Pros

                        • Comfortable
                        • Lightweight

                        Cons

                          Best Uses

                          • Road Running

                          Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                          I have always found New Balance shoes to be too firm and stiff for my taste. The 890v4 dispelled that notion. This shoe is very light, provides solid cushioning without being too soft, and is FLEXIBLE. I've put about 100 miles on the shoe in the last few weeks and it is quickly becoming one of my "go to" shoes. It works well for tempo runs and track work, but is still great for longer runs as well. I could definitely run a half or a full marathon in these shoes. I'll be buying another pair before the next update.

                          • Sizing:
                          • Feels true to size
                          • Width:
                          • Feels true to width
                          • Arch Type:
                          • High Arch
                          • Was this a gift?:
                          • No
                           
                          5.0

                          Great shoe

                          By Ricky

                          from Alexandria, VA

                          About Me Avid Athlete

                          Verified Buyer

                          Pros

                          • Breathable
                          • Comfortable
                          • Cushions Impact
                          • Fast
                          • Lightweight

                          Cons

                            Best Uses

                            • Road Running

                            Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                            Very comfortable shoe. Lightweight, but well cushioned.

                            • Was this a gift?:
                            • No
                             
                            5.0

                            Awesome update !!!!

                            By fitskippy

                            from Traverse City, MI

                            About Me Avid Athlete

                            Pros

                            • Breathable
                            • Comfortable
                            • Cushions Impact
                            • Fast
                            • Good Arch Support
                            • Lightweight

                            Cons

                              Best Uses

                              • Road Running

                              Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                              I have been a NB guy for almost 20 years..This is the best neutral shoe I have ever run in, brilliant update from v3....

                              • Sizing:
                              • Feels true to size
                              • Width:
                              • Feels true to width
                              • Arch Type:
                              • High Arch
                              • Was this a gift?:
                              • No
                               
                              5.0

                              Lightning Response!!!!

                              By DR RAC

                              from Long island NY

                              About Me Avid Athlete

                              Verified Buyer

                              Pros

                              • Breathable
                              • Comfortable
                              • Cushions Impact
                              • Durable
                              • Fast
                              • Good Arch Support
                              • Good Traction
                              • Great with Jeans
                              • Lightweight

                              Cons

                                Best Uses

                                • Road Running

                                Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                Very responsive shoe that is lightweight, but supportive...fits like a minimalist shoe with good support. The exoskeleton gives support but allows free movement of the foot and ankle..the best

                                • Sizing:
                                • Feels half size too small
                                • Width:
                                • Feels true to width
                                • Arch Type:
                                • Average Arch
                                • Was this a gift?:
                                • No
                                 
                                5.0

                                Replaces my Cortana 3s

                                By Toddzilla

                                from Orlando, FL

                                Pros

                                  Cons

                                    Best Uses

                                      Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                      I never thought a shoe would come along and replace my Cortanas, but this one has. I used to run solely in the 890 v2, then switched to the Cortanas. I am now switching back to these, what a great update! I am a forefoot striker and these seem to promote that running style nicely. No complaints here.

                                      • Sizing:
                                      • Feels true to size
                                      • Width:
                                      • Feels true to width
                                      • Arch Type:
                                      • Average Arch
                                       
                                      5.0

                                      Lightweight and smooth

                                      By Honu

                                      from Charleston, SC

                                      About Me Casual/ Recreational

                                      Verified Reviewer

                                      Pros

                                      • Comfortable
                                      • Fast
                                      • Lightweight

                                      Cons

                                        Best Uses

                                        • Road Running

                                        Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                        I had been running in Nike Pegasus 29 and 30, exclusively. Based on a review I decided to try the NB890v4. First time out of the box these were so comfortable. The NB890v4 is lighter than the Air Peg and has a lower heel drop (8mm vs. 12mm), resulting in a very smooth transition from foot strike to toe off. I have put 75 miles on the NB890v4, which I prefer to the Air Pegs, but I will rotate between them. Because the NB890v4 is lighter, they have less cushioning than the Pegs but enough for long distances. I plan to use the NB890v4s in an upcoming half marathon next month.

                                        • Sizing:
                                        • Feels true to size
                                        • Width:
                                        • Feels true to width
                                        • Arch Type:
                                        • High Arch
                                        • Was this a gift?:
                                        • No
                                         
                                        5.0

                                        BEST SHOE EVER

                                        By DR RAC

                                        from Long Island, NY

                                        About Me Avid Athlete

                                        Pros

                                        • Breathable
                                        • Comfortable
                                        • Cushions Impact
                                        • Good Traction
                                        • Great with Jeans
                                        • Lightweight

                                        Cons

                                          Best Uses

                                          • Road Running

                                          Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                          Excellent overlay of shoe that allows full foot function, unlike any previous shoe. that coupled with a very responsive sole allows full motion of ankle and foot, but gives lots of cushioning and protection.

                                          • Sizing:
                                          • Feels true to size
                                          • Width:
                                          • Feels true to width
                                          • Arch Type:
                                          • Low Arch
                                          • Was this a gift?:
                                          • No
                                           
                                          5.0

                                          These are great sneakers!

                                          By Dan the Running Man

                                          from Tenafly

                                          About Me Avid Athlete

                                          Verified Reviewer

                                          Pros

                                          • Breathable
                                          • Comfortable
                                          • Cushions Impact
                                          • Fast
                                          • Great with Jeans
                                          • Lightweight
                                          • Pronation Control

                                          Cons

                                            Best Uses

                                            • Road Running

                                            Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                            I've been an avid Mizuno Wave Rider guy; i've run extensuvely in both the 15 and 16 versions. I went to Road Runner hopingvto scoop up a new pair of WR17, but they hadn't arrived yet. December 5, i think. While there i decided to check out the New Balance 890v4. I loved the lightweight yet supportive feel right off the bat. I also run almost exclusively in my NB 1400v2 for uptempo training and my 5k runs. I rotate with my Brooks T7 Racers. Well I brought the 890v4 home thinking I would exchange them when the Wave Rider 17's come in, but my runs in the 890v4's are making me second gues that notion. Ive been amazed how comfortable they are making my runs feel almost effortless. They have just the right cushioning and a weight to die for (i wish they had more color combos!). Nice update New Balance. I plan on rotating these and my Ghost 6 for long runs.

                                            • Sizing:
                                            • Feels true to size
                                            • Width:
                                            • Feels true to width
                                            • Arch Type:
                                            • Average Arch
                                            • Was this a gift?:
                                            • No
                                             
                                            5.0

                                            Love these shoes!

                                            By safandi

                                            from Franklin Park, NJ

                                            About Me Casual/ Recreational

                                            Pros

                                            • Breathable
                                            • Comfortable
                                            • Durable
                                            • Good Arch Support
                                            • Great with Jeans
                                            • Lightweight

                                            Cons

                                              Best Uses

                                              • Walking

                                              Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                              amazing shoes, very comfortable and cushiony, lightweight just like walking in the air.

                                              • Sizing:
                                              • Feels true to size
                                              • Width:
                                              • Feels true to width
                                              • Arch Type:
                                              • High Arch
                                              • Was this a gift?:
                                              • No
                                               
                                              5.0

                                              Relieved

                                              By Big Guy Road Runner

                                              from Texarkana, AR

                                              About Me Avid Athlete

                                              Verified Reviewer

                                              Pros

                                              • Comfortable
                                              • Fast
                                              • Lightweight

                                              Cons

                                                Best Uses

                                                • Road Running

                                                Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                                Long time 890 user. Went through 5 pair of V2 and 4 pair of V3. Version 4 concerned me as it's look is a lot different. After 26 miles, I am impressed. Toe box is better and while it is lighter it has better cushioning and feels faster. My favorite shoe is still alive.

                                                • Sizing:
                                                • Feels half size too small
                                                • Width:
                                                • Feels true to width
                                                • Arch Type:
                                                • Average Arch
                                                • Was this a gift?:
                                                • No
                                                 
                                                5.0

                                                Great!

                                                By J

                                                from MI

                                                Pros

                                                • Breathable
                                                • Comfortable
                                                • Cushions Impact
                                                • Fast
                                                • Lightweight

                                                Cons

                                                  Best Uses

                                                    Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                                    I really wanted to love the v3's but the narrow toe box was too uncomfortable for me to get past. I'm glad to see NB finally widen out the toe box on their running shoes this winter so that I can finally wear them.

                                                    This shoe is awesome. Lightweight with great cushioning. Perfect shoe for longer runs.

                                                    • Sizing:
                                                    • Feels half size too small
                                                    • Width:
                                                    • Feels true to width
                                                    • Arch Type:
                                                    • Average Arch
                                                     
                                                    5.0

                                                    Nice Update

                                                    By Mike

                                                    from San Diego

                                                    About Me Gym Rat

                                                    Pros

                                                    • Breathable
                                                    • Comfortable
                                                    • Cushions Impact
                                                    • Fast
                                                    • Lightweight

                                                    Cons

                                                      Best Uses

                                                      • Road Running

                                                      Comments about Mens New Balance 890v4 Running Shoe:

                                                      Really liked the v3 and was a little nervous when I saw the v4's noticeably different midsole. The first week in them has been great...very comfortable. My favorite everyday trainer lives on!

                                                      • Sizing:
                                                      • Feels true to size
                                                      • Width:
                                                      • Feels true to width
                                                      • Arch Type:
                                                      • High Arch
                                                      • Was this a gift?:
                                                      • Yes

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